Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? Also, had a KelTec with a pocket clip, no holster, ever, and a Glock 40 with a clip draw, and you just need the brains to have nothing else in your carry pocket, and you wont have an issue. But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. Pull back the hammer, you notice how it clicks 4 times? But Knute is fine, and nobody else seems to want it. Its part of being human. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. Recently retired the PPK in favor of a Sig P365. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. And we all make mistakes. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. Because it has no external safety that means you are only 5 lbs away from making the gun fire. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. whenever anyone posts on this page: Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. Good on you guys for responding here. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? So Move. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. And my Ruger .357. If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. If one wishes to carry sans a round in the chamber. Make that line above into: a solution in search of a problem. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. As the saying goes, you do you. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. 1) either way you do it it takes Training, 2) ya silly ass might forget to flip the safety an fire so there is you 3 seconds, 3) the bullet may not fire, in which case you have to chamber anyway. DA/SA make the most sense to me. That may be true but it is also irrelevant, since the *actual* cause of the negligent discharge is*negligence. He thinks. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. 29 July 2022 by srnoj. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. And I do not carry them ever. Every time I drive. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. Hes squirmy and all over the place. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. I recommend RTS Tactical for reliable, rifle-stopping options, Youre worth it. Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. I submit never. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. All of that seemed a bit verbose for a blog comment, though. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. The Theory And Practice Of Israeli Carry - AmmoMan School of Guns Blog Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Height: 5.4. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! So F_____g what? Sound off in the comments! Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. Not an appreciable amount of time. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. Many revolvers also changed; whereas the firing pin was once integrated with the hammer . Hm. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. Empty chamber carry is dumb. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. I cant believe this is even a subject for discussion. No permits needed, no interference from the State. Training is nothing more than repetition. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. But still a nice catch. Apply the 21 foot rule. This pistol gained [] WOW! I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. This is why. the department said it was the pistols fault. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. Good luck!!!!! Am I being silly? Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. 2. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? You can also watch plenty of guys who have never once needed their guns in a confrontation, yet shot themselves because they kept one in the chamber. and yes i train and rehearse that The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. What you are overlooking is the odds. Glock firearms Instructor. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. You might like it. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. . And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. The same as SJWs or those who suffer from TDS. Many competition shooters boast about having it done to their race gun. Usually for at least an hour or so. Clinging to God and guns. says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. Daughter carries the 9. 3 your support hand may not be available. Especially in a stressful situation. The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. . Are Glocks safe to carry chambered? - Quora Hire someone who did it on other blogs. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. Lets face cold hard facts the more chances you take the more likely you will run out of luck, usually much sooner than later. I think I can answer that one. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. All terrific replies. Eventually, revolver designs changed. Still chambered in 9mm, the G19 measures 7.28-inches in total length. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. Not too long ago, we posted an article (by me!) Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. Nope. Is it safe to carry a round in the chamber? Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. Barrel: 4.5. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. Didnt say I didnt know how, just not much use for one Bad guy dies. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. 30 years carrying, 20 in the military with 6 combat deployments. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. The off hand comment was to the effect of glocks being less safe to carry with a round in the chamber than others. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. Situational risk assessment. No kids at home anymore so no worry there. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. If you are so scared of a striker fired trigger, then why not get a hammer fired gun? One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. When suddenly a rabbit rushes out of the brush, I sometimes forget to switch off the safety. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. The Glock 19 pistol was initially produced in 1988. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. I once owned 12 of them. Not exactly. Hell you pour sand down MY ass crack and I'll jam up and and fail to extract Ive carried different glocks with a round chambered in iwb/owb holsters and never had a problem with it. Because criminals dont follow laws, and as long as you stay off the radar, nobody is checking your gun. Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. Carrying a Glock loaded concealed vs unloaded | Firearms Talk Is It Safe To Carry A Chambered Glock - MonteneGroand Partners The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. Do you, punk? The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. Heres how all of this bogus started. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. I like having a gun ready to shoot but I need a second chance when Im juggling. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). Second, they also trained. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. And yes, I have done trigger work on 2 of my 3 Glocks. Good username though. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six??. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. Does the Glock fire then? 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. Still no safety. Dry fire and have a friend rush you with a fake knife. Just remember, about the only way you can deactivate the safety mechanism is with your finger. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. I have four. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. I wouldnt worry about it. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. Same here. Does the Glock fire then? However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. Yes. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. Not a bad plan. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? The hammer connects with a firing pin thats integrated into the frame, which strikes the primer. Balancing Safety & Readiness: Carrying "Cocked and Locked?" How often do you train your driving abilities? Um. You should always carry with a round chambered. Glocks have a very long trigger pull. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. Every day. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. Fuck off gov. The internal Safe Action System will not allow the pistol to go off accidentally. or not. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. It should stay the way it is. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. . Well, its nice to know Im negligible. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. 1 you many not have time to chamber. Is it just something one has to get used to? The practice of empty chamber carry continued with the introduction of magazine-fed, semi-automatic pistols. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. Go. Amen brother. Weight: 22.9 oz. In a prima facie, on-paper, in-theory sense, thats true. Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. Carry without one in the pipe for a while to get used to it. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. Never mind the others. Glocks have only mode of carry once you chamber a round. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. But the real benefit is in the noise. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. you roll the dice. It wont matter if the slide is in battery or not. But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). I sold my Glocks for this very reason , sure , I came up with other rational reasons , but when I look myself in the mirror and Im absolutely honest with myself , I got rid of my Glocks because I carry loaded chamber and I am sometimes a dumb ass . See the old Remingtons. On Firefox for Windows, it just goes to the top of the page, but it will still get the newest comments. Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber So that argument is irrelevant. People are going to make mistakes but when you design a tool as unsafe as the Glock its not a maybe they will have an accidental discharge its a fking fact that sooner or later they will. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do.

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